Both cartridges were designed to work through short action rifles. Genesis 1:1 NRA Benefactor Life, SAF, RMEF, Memberships "Want to stop drunk drivers from killing sober drivers? Bonus benefits with the 7mm Rem. This compromise should account for the slower muzzle velocities many rifles produce with factory loads and safe handloads. I am very pleased I am shooting retumbo using adg brass which is excellent brass highly recommend, shooting 165 Gamechanger at 3075, 180 Berger right at 3000. Articles may contain affiliate links which enable us to share in the revenue of any purchases made. The load is easy on brass and accuracy is excellent, Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 280 Remington Ackley Improved 40-Degree, Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Mag Box. As you might guess, there isnt much trajectory/performance difference between the RUM and the Nosler. I like off the shelf ammo and its 7 mag, 28 Nosler, 7mm-08 and the 280. It went on to prove itself as a grand all-round big game cartridge, becoming the most popular, most recognized 7mm magnum around the world. With RL26 I stuck a case in the chamber @ 3150fps. When I add this up, I default to the 7mm Rem. 7mm brass is simple to find and the caliber is an absolute hammer on deer/elk. Because the 7mm RM is a familiar benchmark, lets establish some basic performance numbers in an 8 pound rifle with 24-inch barrel spitting a representative spire point, boat tail, 175-grain hunting bullet, B.C. Brass 1 - 12 of 73 Products Sort By Position 220 Swift Premium Brass (50ct) $108.95 6.5mm PRC Bulk Unprepped Brass (100ct) Out of stock $135.49 6.5mm PRC Premium Brass (50ct) Out of stock $118.95 27 Nosler Premium Brass (25ct) If you go with a hot 7mm, get one with a fairly heavy barrel contour. Mag. Another vote for 280ai if building a light weight hunt rig all the horsepower needed close to 7rm but standard action with room for an extra round. Great performance, easy to neck a case down and a simple bushing change gets you great dies. Clear winner. Hey guys, so Ive kind of decided to give one of these a try in my Desert Tech SRS. Nosler brass also undergoes the rigorous quality control that premium Nosler bullets have experienced for over 60 years. Hornady 7mm PRC overall length matches that of the 30-06 and 270 Win., so it fits standard length actions. and a high B.C. Not to concerned about the barrel life, you cant expect Ferrari performance and get Prius fuel mileage haha theres always a trade off, I think a mild load in a 28 might be the best of both worlds. Interesting. Fr pske salg: Opptil 50 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr 6.5 PRC. I was tired of lugging the heavy, long, and heavy recoiling 30s around, but wanted more punch than my lighter 6.5CM. A 24" nosler should still outrun a 24" rem mag (all other things equal). JavaScript is disabled. Rich is a good guy to talk to on the phone we bsd a bit the other day. When in doubt, pull the 338 out! Diver160651 Who cares. A major part of that depends on rifling twist. I already have a few 264 caliber rifles. Pretty sure the can thing is a complete game changer on optimal barrel length. I have hunted with a 7mm Rem Mag and a 7mmSTW. Ron Spomer Mag. Just cant decide what billets and powder to run. Nonetheless, it's nice to have options Having so many options these days is a double edged sword. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Running a 7mm like others velocities are really easily to get. The 7mm advantage comes from relatively high BC (ballistic coefficient) bullets in popular weights commonly used for hunting horned and antlered game. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. You are using an out of date browser. JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. 7 saum and 7 rem mag seem like good compromises. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. Just have the barrel throated so you can load those big pills way out there, to make room for more powder. 28 Nosler offers excellent performance but brass is spendy and availability is hit or miss . Fr pske salg: Opptil 50 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr . They sharpened the shoulder angle. Winchester claims a muzzle velocity (MV) of 3,225 fps with a 140 grain bullet for their 7mm WSM cartridge; the claimed muzzle energy (ME) is 3,233 ft. lbs. His bolt-action rifle was chambered for the confusing .275 Rigby. Carefully spaced shots (dont overheat the barrel) always extend life, as does each shooters accuracy demands. 12 Gauge 1". Now lets compare this to our other two 7mm candidates. Barrels are like truck tires. In 2001 Remington looked to the old .404 Jeffery case for its ultra-speedy 7mm. I think the 7saum is here to stay. The 7 PRC should be built on 1:8 or 1:7.5 twist barrels to stabilize all these. Mag. Creedmoor Sports $ 119.95 . 7mm RM, 2,900 fps from 24 bl. Want to do 24-26 barrel. I would not be overly concerned with it only being for hunting. Engineers made three modifications that ensured popularity: they shortened the case to fit standard-length actions. $ 87.00 - $ 145.00. Has 260 rounds on it so its fully sped up. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Creedmoor Sports $ 116.95 . The 28 is not going to be but about 25-50 FPS faster and it makes little difference. . Just to add another fly in the ointment, but another 7mm to consider, is the 7mm Blaser Mag. Recoil of a 9# Rem. I made the same decision not long ago and went 7mm RM, although barrel life was a consideration for me, which it probably wouldn't be on a strictly hunting rig. 28 nosler is a great choice for the heavies mine is throated for the 195 eols but im gonna try the 190 atips soon. might not sound like a big deal until you start maneuvering it in and out of cases, trucks, scabbards, and forests. Your results may vary. Remington and Winchester went to short, fat, unbelted cases for their latest 7mm magnums, the 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum and the Winchester Short Magnum. Id suggest a similar plan. 180-gr. Mag. 28 Nosler offers excellent performance but brass is spendy and availability is hit or miss . JavaScript is disabled. That's how gun control works.". Moose by the dozens have fallen to the 7mm Rem. You must log in or register to reply here. bullets, but not the longest and certainly not such long numbers as Hornadys 180-gr. ADG makes 28 nosler brass for a great option. First, the 7mm Rem Mag and 28 Nosler use larger diameter bullets than the 6.8 Western. If your just hunting without extended range sessions I'g use this over the 7rem mag. Som en stor omfattende nettbutikk er hjemsol forpliktet til hjelpe deg med skape et stt liv med vre utskte produkter. I tested the 7 STW, 7 RUM, 7 Rem mag, 7-300 win mag and even a 7 Lapua. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. My vote would be 7RM as well. Thats the 7mm magnum advantage. And heres the same 175-gr. Definitely go 26" on the barrel. And more recoil. Have a 6.5 PRC and currently building a 7 SAUM. The .28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bulletsjust faster. I neither believe in this minimum nor in shooting elk at 700 yards, but this is impressive performance for a standard-length cartridge nearing its 60th birthday. The 28 Nosler has a muzzle energy of 3470 ft-lbs, and the 30 Nosler has muzzle energy at 3639 ft-lbs. Never saw the need for the added horse power of the 7 STW so I sold it and stayed with the 7 mm Rem Mag. Going super light though might make the 280 ai another good choice. I wouldn't do either in a 24" , I would definitely go 26" at a minimum. Mag. yea Im leaning more towards the 28 just cause I dont really want to fire form, I know its not the end of the world but just one more step. And thats part of the reason 7mms are so popular. Buy Now. That results in performance like this: Whoa grandma! Minuteman. Fill this brass case with smokeless powder instead of water and, according to some handloading guides, 62.5 grains of Reloder 22 should shove a 175-grain bullet from a 24-inch barrel 2,870 fps. I would go 7 LRM if it wasn't for the Hornady brass . I think if I was buying a hunting rifle, and just wanted to keep a few high quality boxes of factory ammo around, the I would go 7Rm. Should be 7.5lbs scoped or so. Nosler told me their bonded bullet is designed to retain 70%, same as the partition. Trustpilot. Buy Now. It may not display this or other websites correctly. I agree mud, but where does the 284 shehane fall compared to the above cartridges? Im using Winchester brass, and it's showing no signs of wear after 8 or 9 reloads. I run the Berger 180 hybrids at 2900 in my 280 ackley with no pressure signs. It does have a dark side, though. Had same dilemma, went with 7RM because even during the great Obama ammo shortage you could always find 7RM ammo. landed with a splash big enough to drench every deer/elk cartridge in North America. Long action lone peak. I have both chambered up on the same rifle, the 28 is about cooked so spun up a 7 MAX and maybe in a month I'll get time to pull the trigger more on it, fire forming and case prep amounts to chamfer, add primer, powder and bullet to ADG 7 MAX brass and pull the trigger. The 175/180 class Bullets sneaking along (1/4 MOA) at 2950-ish give or take, certainly not to par with the newer selections. include more options in rifles and ammo, more accessible and less expensive ammo, less recoil, a potentially shorter, handier, lighter rifle, and longer barrel life. It will never be as popular as a 6.5PRC or 28nosler, but it has a purpose. The best part is that the recoil is super easy compared to a 300. Considering the production by Hornady of 6.5 GAP 4S cases, the next logical step appeared to be ammunition coming off the line in Grand Island, Nebraska. with either the Berger 215- or 230-grain Hybrid and push them at maximum pressures. Another indicates 74-grains of Hodgdon 870 will churn up 2,954 fps. If youre going to tackle an elk or mule deer with a 180-grain bullet at around 2,900 fps, the 7mm version in that bullet weight will shoot flatter, drift less, and put more energy on target than the .308 version. As the .30-06 Springfield has a .473 case head and uses the .470 +/- bolt face, any cartridges list on the above two bolt face diameter and action length database charts above, that also use the .470 +/- bolt face, and have a COAL of 3.34 or shorter, will work with .30-06 actions. runs at 2940 fps and the .280 AI runs at 2850 fps). These are some impressive numbers. There are now at least 14 7mm cartridges being manufactured in the U.S. with several wildcats waiting in the wings. FWIW, the LRM setup that I have on the way was ordered with 16x-class projectiles in mind. YMMV . Howdy. They explain in part the enduring popularity of the 7mm Rem. Abonner p vrt nyhetsbrev og bli den frste som fr vite om kuponger og spesielle kampanjer. Still, recoil is lower and ammo/components are cheaper and easier to find. Dec 7, 2019 #14 ; 7 mag easy. 92 grs. If you want a shorter barrel, look into the 7 SAUM, 7 RM and even the 7-08 , they'll all get it done nicely. 7mm Rem Short Action Ultra Magnum Load Data. Just picked up a tikka for a donor build for a lightweight 6.5 PRC or 7mm SAUM. These claims are valid if the short magnum cartridges are fired in 24 inch barrels, the same length as the barrels of most 7mm Rem. Almost overnight the seven em em was on the lips of American hunters. If we're talking optimizing performance, a 26" barrel is not optimum for either cartridge - you should instead be looking at 30" - 32" barrels. Lets compare three cartridges that do that; the old 7mm Rem. Nosler Unprimed Brass 204 Ruger $ 53.82 - $ 208.59 Select options Nosler Unprimed Brass 220 Swift (50) $ 84.99 Add to cart Nosler Unprimed Brass 222 Rem (100) $ 111.28 Add to cart Nosler Unprimed Brass 222 Rem Magnum (250) Unprocessed Rated 5.00 out of 5 $ 215.54 Add to cart Nosler Unprimed Brass 223 Rem $ 50.18 - $ 206.83 Select options Although, the 28 Nosler is an awesome cartridge. Before this barrel I had a 7 SAUM and I wasn't happy with how it fed from the DTA magazines. Will be running as a long action so no worries about magazine issues. Now I am waffling between the 6.5x284 Norma and the 300 PRC. 28 nosler is a great case, barrel burner, but if you're looking for say 3000fps w/ 195 at lower pressure, use H1000 or Retumbo, adg/gunwerks brass, and the brass will last you forever, take care the barrel and it may go 1000 rounds. If you're only going to be shooting 160's, I think the regular 7 Rem Mag would definitely be a more economical choice. Worth considering. Here are some specifications of interest to those reloading the 7mm WSM cartridge: bullet diameter .284", maximum COL 2.860", maximum case length 2.100". Buy Now. Versitile and with the right twist rate can really launch some High BC pills out there. And with RL33 hes getting 3140 fps (pretty easily), using Retumbo (for it's temp stability) drops it about 75 fps. We use cookies to make your experience better. I have a 6.5 saum that is my go to long range coues rifle and it is my favorite rifle but not my first choice for an elk cartridge. Those are some impressive numbers. It is going to be strictly a hunting gun on a lighter weight platform. Straight on shot into chest between the legs at about 50 yds. ADG 7 SAUM Brass. Improving 7mm Rem. Looking at going with the 7mag or 28 nosler. Part of this is due to the .40 inches of freeborn Remington builds into its 7mm RUMs to minimize chamber pressures on ignition. Mag. I just did a 7mm build too. For you guys that have had both with do you prefer. Since then weve met eight or ten other 7mms, but none has knocked the old 7 Rem Mag from its perch. For Connaught we moved to 7mm SAUMs and in preparation of going to that FCWC I got . To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. I did 7remmag. The 7mm shoots .284-inch diameter bullets through bores .28-inch across, but only two use this Imperial measuring system in their titles: .280 Remington and .284 Winchester, both excellent but underrated standard velocity cartridges. Smaller-framed or young shooters generally consider the cartridge as having high recoil, but its recoil is manageable for experienced large-framed shooters to be able to shoot it regularly. Mag., the 264 Win. I can't tell you how many cartridge choices I've settled on, only to change my mind again and again. ADG 300 PRC Brass. performance without stepping up to a full magnum length cartridge and rifle action was Noslers goal. Now lets check out the 7mm RUM. make ideal whitetail and mule deer takers with 140-to 160-grain bullets. Does a great job on Elk or pig. SAUM shows that 56.0 grains of IMR 4350 powder will drive their 140 grain bullets to a MV of 2943 fps, and 60.0 grains of IMR 4350 is good for a MV of 3146 fps. The 7mm Precision Rifle Cartridge is a long-action centerfire rifle cartridge designed to shoot 180 grain bullets at 2,950 fps. Great availability of components and above all a barrel that will last 1500+ when used like a hunting rifle and cared for. Nothing to call home about, but its solid for any North American game to 7 or 800 yards based on about any standard metric. In the past, running 284 Win (reaching back to Raton, 2013), I would have said that (for me at least) a rechamber would be in order for a straight 284 around the 2000 round mark. I would go 7 LRM if it wasn't for the Hornady brass . Clearly the 28 Nosler is the flat trajectory King here, but at the expense of more recoil, more powder, and a fairly large, standard-length action to fit the .534 rim/head circumference. The 404 Jeffery sired the majority of Nosler's cartridge line, namely the 30 Nosler, 26 Nosler, and 33 Nosler as well as other cartridges like the 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum (SAUM). IMR 4350 was the most accurate powder tested. 8tw 195 or maybe the new 190 atips. Dies, brass etc are way easier to find for the PRC. Mag. Been looking for a while. But, were I young and tough and starting from scratch, I might be lured into the .28 Nosler. And that means more powder. My thinking was that good ol' 7mm RM. I feel I could easily shoot 180s at the same speed, and the 190s close to it. 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